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    Default Keeping track of failed attempts and consolation views



    Hello everyone

    This is my way of putting a little humor on all my attempts of finding any DSO's:

    1) Got the scope, no idea what i'm doing, take it outside and try to observe anything.
    Could even see the stars, out of focus and coulds.

    2) Explore the universe, nothing but I found Saturn, awesome!

    3)Find any DSO, failed, back to Saturn and Moon still awesome!

    4) focus on DSO, failed, Saturn and Moon always awesome!

    5) got Stellarium, now I'm ready to conquer the Universe! DSO, failed..

    6)Got awesome advice and pointers, good a book for urban astronomy
    Went looking for DSO, failed..

    7)Almost a week of bad weather....

    Maybe I'm in the wrong hobby, should I try bird watching???? Or something that doesn't move, gardening maybe...
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    Default Re: Keeping track of failed attempts and consolation views

    Well, you can try bird watching, and you'll likely end up with a fine collection of pigeons.

    You can try gardening, and end up doing some bird watching as the birds eat the fruits of your labor.

    Just keep at it Tomas. If you can just get one under your belt, you'll get a good feel for what to look for and the rest will begin to come easier for you.

    If you can come across other astronomers locally, that would go a long ways toward helping you. Heck, if I was closer I'd joing you and give you a helping hand, but you are about a 20 hour drive from me.

    If you are getting Saturn, go for Jupiter and Venus. And if you can get Jupiter, M67 is just a short hop away. Bam, first DSO.

    That is, if you can get the clouds to cooperate.
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    Default Re: Keeping track of failed attempts and consolation views

    I had a tough time the first couple of months also. Gets easier as you learn your scope and the sky.
    Try finding some easier objects like easy to split double stars and star clusters. When looking at Stellarium or Sky Safari, look for objects with brighter magnitudes as they will be easier to find. Stick with it. It will start to click for you.
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    Default Re: Keeping track of failed attempts and consolation views

    Tomas, like Bryan said, just stick with it. I spent all last summer failing at finding DSO's without the help of my Intelliscope. This year I have found several pretty easily. During my last outing the other day, there were 2 globs that I was surprised at how easy it was to find them. They are both between 'double stars' so, you will know if you are looking at the right starting point. Maybe these would be good targets to attempt the next time you go out. These 2 were found just by going in a straight line from one star to another. I made sure to note the multiple names these stars are cataloged under to help me reference it in the future. Hopefully it can help....


    M13
    From Eta Her A (variable double star 44 her, aka HIP81833) I followed the path to Zeta Her A (40 her, HIP 81693 A). About 1/3rd along the way was M13. It looked pretty good from my LP yard. Averted vision let me make out multiple stars. Prolonged direct vision resolves a 'splotch' with a few random stars that seemed to (barely) stand out from the rest.

    M92
    From Eta Her A (variable double star 44 her, aka HIP81833) I followed a path a little over half way to Iota Her A (variable double star 85 her, aka HIP 86414). M92 resolved pretty well, sort of similar to M13 but, not as distinguished. Bright core that was 'splotchy'. Couldn't resolve very many individual stars.

    EDIT: Oh, and both are from the same double star starting point
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    Thanks Bryan, that made me laugh!
    I am definitely trying to put some humor on the failed attempts!!
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    Where I usually observe, finding stuff is pretty hit or miss due to the light pollution. What I like to do when I put together a target observing list is to have one or two things I know I can always see - that way I don't get frustrated when that supposedly bright-ish galaxy is invisible under Manhattan skies. It also lets me double check my go-to isn't a mile off, or let me practice my geometric finding, which I'm discovering is a lot more reliable in the city then starhopping.

    The other thing I like to do is once every week or so (weather permitting), is to go out there with binoculars and just start picking out bright stars and constellations. It teaches me the night sky, I've been using "The Year-Round Messier Marathon" as a guidebook, its got a great little section on how to efficiently find things.
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    I'm new as well. However this is really the 2nd hobby I've started as an adult. About 7 years ago, as my body started hurting more and more I wanted to transition away from playing sports and into something more mellow. So I started playing guitar. My god, I stuck with it boy did I suck for what felt like an eternity. I just kept telling myself "dumber people do this" and didn't give up. I'm no great player but I can jam and play some tunes. I can entertain a bit and carry my weight. Point is this:

    Embrace the suck.

    Your learning something new. You know they did a study to understand why kids learn better than adults. You know what they found? They don't learn better. Both learn at equal rates. What they did find is the younger you are the less daunted and irritated you are with the repetitions it takes to master something. Kids keep plowing through. Adults quit and binge on Netflix. Stick with it amigo! Embrace the Zen of chilling under the stars and opening your mind, the goods will come. Remember every year, especially with planets there are different things to see!

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    Hey Xenomorph,

    As others have said you're already doing good with Saturn and the Moon. Move over to Jupiter which is just as awe inspiring as Saturn. Also, instead of being frustrated with not seeing DSOs be happy and conscience that you are creating memory muscle by repeating some of these activities that you will use forever in this hobby. I'm sure you may have some bad things going on that you'll want to change as you go, but learn from what's happening now... I'm sure you know all that though

    Also, I love my gardening because I watch that when the evil sun is out and when he goes away then I look up!
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    You are right
    I'll become one with the suckyness!!
    Lol
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    Default Re: Keeping track of failed attempts and consolation views

    Become one with the suckyness.

    I know where Mike is coming from. I learned to play the 5-string banjo about 10 years ago. It was horrible. Practice and practice and practice and over and over and over and over again. By the time I learned how to play something, I was sick of playing it.

    But, after I got all my woodshedding out of the way (it's called woodshedding cause that's where your wife makes you go so everyone else doesn't suffer), I can rip out "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" at 98 mph with the best of them.

    All that taught me a good life lesson: If you want it, go get it. Put in the work, get the reward.

    Of course, light pollution will certainly make things so much more challenging. Hard to pick a tune if you don't have any strings.

    Embrace the suck. We've all got that t-shirt.
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