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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?



    Quote Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post

    Obviously though, I won't be able to see anything I can't find...
    I bought an Intelliscope and used the hand held computer/locator a lot initially. Then for over a year I hardly used the locator at all. Initially I had little knowledge of the night sky and needed the help from the locator. Now, I've been to so many star parties and night sky classes, I can find the darkest objects without help.

    If you have never found deep sky objects by yourself, I'd get the XT8i.
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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?

    Curious- how much time/effort do you think it would take someone to get up to speed with a manual scope in San Jose so he's not totally lost? Maybe semi-reliably find 10 or so DSO's? Obviously it won't happen the first night or possibly even after 3-4 nights, but I really have no idea how much effort that is?

    I'm naturally a stubborn person, so I don't get up really easily, but at the same time having the ability to learn in digestible chunks is a lot less frustrating and more enjoyable and at the end of the day... err, night, I do want this to be fun.

    I just looked at the SJAA calendar... bummed to see the next star party is when I'll be in Death Valley. The one after that isn't until Jan 24th. That really seems like the best way to see for myself without going out and buying one. I suppose I could always buy an XT8i at the local Orion store, try it out and if I don't like it/decide I don't need the computer return it in 30 days.
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    Hi Synfanatic. Well, I was looking for something to replace the old Cave Astrola 10" f/5 Newtonian that I had years ago. When Orion was offering free shipping with their "build a scope" program, I came across the XT12i, and it was too good to pass up. As far as the push to goes, usually when I am out with it, I just go star hopping. But, when the skies aren't so good, it is nice to be able to use the hand controller to find things. For me, it is a case of; "I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it". I have never regretted buying this beautiful telescope. Just my two cents on this, and I hope it helps. Thanks for your interesting thread, and best wishes on your telescope decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuser View Post
    Hi Synfanatic. Well, I was looking for something to replace the old Cave Astrola 10" f/5 Newtonian that I had years ago. When Orion was offering free shipping with their "build a scope" program, I came across the XT12i, and it was too good to pass up. As far as the push to goes, usually when I am out with it, I just go star hopping. But, when the skies aren't so good, it is nice to be able to use the hand controller to find things. For me, it is a case of; "I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it". I have never regretted buying this beautiful telescope. Just my two cents on this, and I hope it helps. Thanks for your interesting thread, and best wishes on your telescope decision.
    I guess the question is would you rather have a XT10i with it's pushto or XT12 which has been professionally flocked, has a better focuser and other upgrades? The XT12i is like having your cake and eating it too.

    Basically, I wonder that after using the XT8i for a after 12-18 months I'll wish I rather had the AD10 with it's 50% larger mirror, better focuser, etc. I suppose over time, I could spend a lot of money & time to add a nice double speed focuser, cooling fan, flock the tube, etc and have a really nice XT8i, but it'll always be an 8". Everyone always says, "If in doubt, get the larger one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfaldo View Post
    I guess I'm the exception to the rule. I love my XX12i. Works great and is a good way to do a lot of viewing and less searching. Probably makes one lazy to learning to do it the old way but sure makes starting out a lot more fun.
    I agree with Jeff

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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post
    I guess the question is would you rather have a XT10i with it's pushto or XT12 which has been professionally flocked, has a better focuser and other upgrades? The XT12i is like having your cake and eating it too.

    Basically, I wonder that after using the XT8i for a after 12-18 months I'll wish I rather had the AD10 with it's 50% larger mirror, better focuser, etc. I suppose over time, I could spend a lot of money & time to add a nice double speed focuser, cooling fan, flock the tube, etc and have a really nice XT8i, but it'll always be an 8". Everyone always says, "If in doubt, get the larger one."
    Unfortunately all this falls under the category of "what if". It is apparent to me from things you've said that you do have at least a basic working knowledge of the sky, which would improve over time. Marshall makes a good point about having the capability even if you don't always need it. At least its there if you find yourself struggling for a specific object. You at least have the choice. Then Jim said yeah, he used it a lot initially, but over time became less reliant upon it. So he obviously learned over time how to star hop more efficiently. As far as getting up to speed, that is an individual thing, and hard to predict. Its certainly doable, but does require time and effort. If your observing time will be limited by work, family, etc., it most likely would take longer that someone who has more free time to devote to the learning process. There is also the matter of how quickly one picks up on this stuff. We each learn differently, so that throws some variables into it.

    Regarding the differences between 8 and 10, I find them noticeable in the sense of the views of objects are a little brighter, and you get a boost in resolution. Objects that may seem at the edge of visibility in the 8 should be easier in the 10. Its not a "wow" type of improvement, but it can be noticeable at some levels. To get the real wow factor, you would need to go from 8 to 12. That is a huge improvement. But the point you were making about having an 8 with the "i" feature or a 10 without, but with a much better peripheral package included, is a valid one. Sure you can upgrade the 8i later, adding this and that to it, but then you will be pushing the total cost even higher without any gain in aperture as you rightly pointed out.

    Again, I know what I would do, but that is based on my preferences. I would go with the aperture and work on my star hopping skills. But I am torn about that advice in your case because I am not in the same position experience-wise or LP-wise. But, as has been pointed out by yourself and others, you certainly can do the manual setting circle mod. It seems many people do like that. Its just a difficult thing to advise on, and not come away feeling as if its not the right advice.
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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post
    Curious- how much time/effort do you think it would take someone to get up to speed with a manual scope in San Jose so he's not totally lost? Maybe semi-reliably find 10 or so DSO's? Obviously it won't happen the first night or possibly even after 3-4 nights, but I really have no idea how much effort that is?
    Don't think of it in terms of "effort". What you are describing is a big part of being a scope owner.

    My first DSO was the Andromeda Nebula and I jumped for joy when I finally found it. Now I can see it with my naked eye every time it is up.

    I can find M13 in seconds now but I recall star hopping and referring back and forth to star charts for quite a while until I found it the first time.

    Everyone's budget is different, but I'd think the difference in cost for the features you are talking about are a small part of the total cost of your trip and you will get way more out of the trip if you have equipment that suits you.

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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?

    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

    Well I ordered a set of Celestron Skymaster 15x70 binos. Hard to pass up for only $30. Going to give those a try and see what happens. Kinda curious to find out what I can see with them.

    So I've been trying to figure out if there is a cost-effective way to add pushto to the AD10. That way I can have the nicer scope and if things are difficult I've got a cool little engineering project. Turns out there is!

    First there's this project:

    Build Your Own Digital Setting Circles « The Ek's Files

    And (one of many places) you can get the encoders/other components to make them easy to mount:

    DobSTUFF - Telescope and ATM Components

    Add SkySafari Plus on my iPad and a SkyWire cable from SouthernStars and you've got a fully functional pushto system for any Dobsonian which is nicer then what comes with the Orion Intelliscope system for about the same price as the Intelliscope option.

    If anyone is interested in reading more, this is a useful thread:

    Telescope Reviews: DIY Digital Setting Circles
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    Quote Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

    Well I ordered a set of Celestron Skymaster 15x70 binos. Hard to pass up for only $30. Going to give those a try and see what happens. Kinda curious to find out what I can see with them.

    So I've been trying to figure out if there is a cost-effective way to add pushto to the AD10. That way I can have the nicer scope and if things are difficult I've got a cool little engineering project. Turns out there is!

    First there's this project:

    Build Your Own Digital Setting Circles « The Ek's Files

    And (one of many places) you can get the encoders/other components to make them easy to mount:

    DobSTUFF - Telescope and ATM Components

    Add SkySafari Plus on my iPad and a SkyWire cable from SouthernStars and you've got a fully functional pushto system for any Dobsonian which is nicer then what comes with the Orion Intelliscope system for about the same price as the Intelliscope option.

    If anyone is interested in reading more, this is a useful thread:

    Telescope Reviews: DIY Digital Setting Circles
    Were're not interested in reading anymore about this ! LOL ! You will really like the binos they are or will be a great compliment to your scope and you will never regret buying them or the views they provide.

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    Default Re: Orion Intelliscope worth it?

    ROFL. My wife always says I research every buying decision within an inch of its life.

 

 
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