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    As some of you might remember for another post, I put my drum kit on craigslist in order to buy my wife's xmas present and myself a Z10. Well, I sold it this morning (well, transaction won't be until the weekend) and my wife, the radiant beauty at the center of my multiverse, decided to change my mind and use the money now for more xmas shopping (I thought we were finished ) and hold off getting the dob until tax-return time... err... I could feel the frictionless rotation of its teflon plates gliding smoothly under my loving and delicate guidance.. anyway... So, now the plan is to spend about $150 on each of us for xmas right now. I'm considering getting an eyepiece kit with this allotment, either the Zhumell or the Celestron. I'm using a pretty inferior scope so will upgrading the eyepieces from the ones that came with it be worth it? Which kit would be better? They're both so dazzling to my consumer eyes! I've been wanting a wider FOV and lower mag for some of the open clusters.

    This could work out better because, come Feb, I'll have the Z10 and extra EP's.
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    The 2" 30mm eyepiece that comes with the Z10 is very good for wide fields of view, I don't think you'd need another low power eyepiece at the start. I'd consider instead the Hyperion 8-24mm zoom, more expensive than $150 but worth the extra expense. Alternatively, I like a lot the 13mm and 21mm Stratos eyepieces on the Z10, costing about $ 130 each. The Expanse eyepieces are probably not bad either, at $ 55-60 each (6 mm, 15 mm, ..). Have fun shopping!

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    I would go with the suggestion that you get individual eyepieces instead of one of the starter eyepiece kits. They are OK but not great and WILL leave you wanting better eyepieces in a very short period of time.
    The secret about dobsonian telescopes with f/5 or so is that they are not very forgiving on eyepiece quality so you would be better off getting individual eyepieces. Antonino's suggestions are good. You can also look at Zhumell planetary eyepieces at 54 each after the 10 % discount on Telescopes.com, or you could also look at the AstroTech eyepieces which seem pretty ok too and not break the bank.
    I have a zhumell eypiece kit and grew over it pretty quickly and have been plotting and planning to get approval from the home office to buy individual eyepieces, probably the Zhumell 12.5 and the 5 mm, the Astrotech 27 and 16 mm flat field eyepieces.
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    Some like the eyepiece kits for beginners because it let's you try out different power ones and learn from the experience; and they are very low cost.

    However I would NOT buy any eyepieces for at least 3 months after you get your scope. Then I would pick and choose individual ones of better quality.

    I have SEVERAL cases FULL of eyepieces purchased over the years. BUT-- I have 2-3 eyepieces that I use 90% of the time. The others just gather dust in the case.

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    Thanks Balu... Professor.. I've never looked through other EP's to really know what I'm missing so these packages with 4 EP's (the Celestron has 5) plus barlow and filters in the pretty aluminum case are tantalizing. I will be using my DS 2114 as a grab-n-go so would like whatever I decide to get to be suitable for it and the Z10... eek.. doesn't look like you can use 1.25" EP's with it like you can with the xt10..
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    There are two more eyepieces that I'd recommend for the price, with a caveat. These are the Orion Flat-field 16mm and 19mm. I forget exactly how much they cost, but it's around $ 100-120 each. They are easy on the eye and the views are very satisfying, and the field of view is reasonably large (60 and 65 degrees). I also like the fact that they are small and light as compared to other eyepieces in this range, but here's the caveat: I purchased them at different times from different distributors, but they both arrived with some dirt trapped inside. Just a couple of specks, but it's been annoying. I took one apart to clean it but in the process I lost track of the order of the lenses and I had trouble putting it back together.

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    Thanks, Joe. I know I want a lower mag for the Meade but it looks like I won't be able to use it with the Zhumell...
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    Right now, I'm leaning more toward the zoom, Prof. I'm only expecting to be able to use it with the Meade, and, since the Zhumell comes with a 32mm, I can probably live with that until I want more quality from the Z10 images. I want a little more fl than the Hyperion you recommended, though, so am looking into one that, at least, goes to 30mm.
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    Hi Corey,
    Just to be clear on what I said earlier, I am not discounting the learning aspect of using an eyepiece kit. It is a good tool to learn how eyepieces work and which works best for you in terms of what you would like to see in the sky. I did learn a lot from the kit I bought, it is just that I have outgrown it.
    I have no doubt that the Hyperion eyepieces are great, one only hears really good things about them as well as with the zoom that the company sells.
    I am a single eyepiece preference person and do not mind changing eyepieces and hence my preference for individual eyepieces.
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