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    Angry I just don't get it !!!



    Hi everyone, I really don't understand why not one company or software creator has not created a capture software that runs natively on a Mac, I know you can run stuff like VMware or Parallels but I use Macs because I really don't like windows !!
    Macs have been around now for a long time and surely someone in the world of astronomy prefers OS X over Windows ? there are programs that will run, but seem to be bias towards curtain cameras, I have a Celestron Neximage 5. But it's proving to be useless !!
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    Default Re: I just don't get it !!!

    It's why many folks opt for a cheap laptop running windows that can be dedicated to all things astronomy/AP.
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    Default Re: I just don't get it !!!

    I don't like Windows either, I only use one Windows programme, Sky Tools, but I would prefer to switch to a Mac equivalent that is as good, and I haven't yet found one. However, this list may be of some help:

    https://www.macobservatory.com/mac-astronomy-software/
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    Default Re: I just don't get it !!!

    Use a virtual machine run windows in the mac then run the software no need to buy anything or do a dual boot. Mac is like linux windows is different to make software you have to code 2 different programs more pc users then mac so thats why it comes down to cost
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    Being a Apple fanboy my self ... 1 iMac, 1 Mini, 2 MacBook pros, 1 Mac Pro and countless devices :-) ... this would be great. However I don't feel that 1 company can solve it due to the age old problem of device connectivity that for now in this hobby is solved with ASCOM on Windows. It would take something similar to mature on OS X and then companies could build drivers. INDI is a start and hopefully eventually matures to where ASCOM is today for Windows.
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    I don't (any longer) have a Mac - but the Mac OS is based on BSD (Berkley Software Distribution) and is a very close cousin with Linux, both of which are founded on Unix. However they diverged many years ago - but there might be libraries portable to both - or write something like Perl which is an interpreted (not compiled) language. The only reason I have Windblows on my laptop is for astronomy. I'm a die hard Linux fan - from the very earliest days - back when you had to know the refresh rate of your monitor. <chuckle - ah those were the days .... of hair pulling.... which explains my physical appearance today>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbydob View Post
    Hi everyone, I really don't understand why not one company or software creator has not created a capture software that runs natively on a Mac, I know you can run stuff like VMware or Parallels but I use Macs because I really don't like windows !!
    Macs have been around now for a long time and surely someone in the world of astronomy prefers OS X over Windows ? there are programs that will run, but seem to be bias towards curtain cameras, I have a Celestron Neximage 5. But it's proving to be useless !!
    If you are a fanboy of an OS that only has 10% of the market then expect support issues. If you are a vendor and need to hire people to write drivers, where would you go? You say you want a Mac OS specific solution. Why not a cross platform solution unlike ASCOM? If you want a Mac OS specific solution then be content with what the market dictates.

    Having said that, ASCOM is part of the problem because its drivers are Windows-only DCOM drivers that live on the client computer, of all places! So why would vendors provide smart devices if their drivers live on a Windows host? In order for them to do so they would need a distributed platform independent protocol, which ASCOM is not. INDI is better in that regard but it has a long way to go before vendors decide to ditch ASCOM.
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    And in addition to this Mac software problem I also wonder when Telescope company's EG: Skywatcher, Celestron, Saxon, Meade, etc are finally going to go down the USB path, Usb has been around for a very long time now !! One day someone will release a new system with up to date technology and we will all be able to enjoy PLUG n PLAY

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    Yeah, I found that rather curious myself. An RS-232 interface for ASCOM? How quaint! It works, but in today's world USB3.0 (or at least 2.0) ought to be the standard. I had to get software to allow the USB connection on my laptop to talk to the RS-232 on the mount. Kind of reminds me of why are we still using the qwerty keyboard which was designed to slow people down so the keys of a typewriter wouldn't get stuck together . I have searched high and low for a dvorak keyboard with no luck. <sigh>.
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    And that's exactly the point. Since ASCOM drivers live on the Windows client and can use anything under the hood to connect to the vendor specific mount in a vendor specific way there is zero incentive for vendors to design a common wire protocol and put more smarts on embedded computers on the mount so any client can talk to any server. ASCOM left the D (distributed) out of DCOM and just uses COM. The D will never be added because you need an OS that supports it, and the industry chose to not do this for any non-Windows OS, reason why even Microsoft has moved on. Any connection would be serial, it could be serial over USB, ethernet or just a serial port so that's a low level detail that is easy to fix.
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