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    As I was not a member of this group, I was not aware that Bruce Kamiat
    posted this message about myself, until a friend informed me. Clearly,
    I must respond. I do not intend to follow up with any further
    responses...unless he decides to provoke me again. Even in that case,
    I will try hard not to pay any attention to him.


    On Sep 3, 2007 6:29 pm, Bruce Kamiat <SN195...@prodigy.net> wrote:


    "Tom Clabough for a long time pursued a macropolitical agenda:
    using John Pazmino's Yahoo group, ostensibly an amateur astronomy
    forum, as a platform for verbally assaulting Democrats and others who
    disagree with his far-right-wing politics."


    First of all, I didn't begin posting political responses on that
    group
    until AFTER many
    left-wing and Republican-bashing messages were posted. Second, the
    extent of my "far-right-wing politics" is to state my objection to
    the
    FACT that the democratic party has moved waaaay to the radical left.
    In fact, two democrat party House chairmen, John Conyers and Charlie
    Rangel, OPENLY work with Revolutionary-Communist organizations! One
    of
    the organizations, The Revolutionary Communist Party, actually calls
    for the violent overthrow of the American government.



    behind World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, the same
    organization that democrat Chair of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers of Michigan, endorsed, then gave a SPEECH to!

    The RCP "Mission Statement": "Create Public Opinion, Seize Power! We
    are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is
    a
    major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes
    from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future
    Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and
    wage
    a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning.
    And we have said that building our party itself is the most important
    part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is
    true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the
    waging of that armed struggle. ":


    (see link for details)
    http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm


    On Oct 5, 2006, Democrat Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers Jr, the same who is out leading an "investigation" into
    the Bush White House, *gave a speech* to the World Can't Wait--Drive
    Out the Bush Regime organization.


    (see link for details)
    http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.p...nt&task=view&i...


    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ygx9w6


    Before that, he openly ENDORSED the movement!
    See "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include...".
    (John Conyers' endorsement appears immediately after Ward
    Churchill's)


    (see link for details)
    http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?o...ask=view&id=25....


    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ef6z6


    FACT: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST-
    revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary
    Communist Party!
    (scroll down the list that appears to find the World Can't Wait
    organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist
    Party) :
    (see link for details)
    http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm





    Profile: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (WCW)

    *Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the
    Bush administration


    *Organizes college and high-school students


    *Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader
    of the Revolutionary Communist Party


    (see link for details)
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=7213


    Here's the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of
    a FULL PAGE 'World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime' ad of
    theirs which actually appeared in the New York Times.
    (either "rwor.org" or "revcom.us" takes you to the website of the
    Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times allowed a 2nd full-page
    RCP/WCW ad to be run several months later! In fact, they are, or have
    very recently, ran another large ad.
    (see link for details)
    http://www.rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm


    Here's a photo of the current chairman of the House Ways and Means
    Committee, DEMOCRAT Charlie Rangel, at the podium of a Workers World
    Party /
    Troops Out Now demonstration here in New York City. Also, in this set
    of photos are terrorist and communist attorneys Lynn Steward and
    Ramsey Clark. They were at the same WWP event in which Rangel spoke.
    Ramsey Clark is the founder and chair of the International Action
    Center, as well as the former Attorney General under democrat prez
    LBJ. The IAC works very closely with WWP. In fact, they even share
    the
    same office space in NYC.
    http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html


    Here's a letter former, now deceased, chairman of the Workers World
    party, Sam Marcy, sent to "Comrade Kim Jong-Il". It's from the
    Workers World Party's own website (workers.org) :


    "On July 9 (1994), Workers World Party Chairperson Sam Marcy sent the
    following statement to Comrade Kim Jong Il, the Central Committee of
    the Workers Party of Korea and the State Funeral Committee of
    President Kim Il Sung." :


    "Dear Comrade Kim Jong Il... Comrade Kim Il Sung devoted his whole
    life to the Korean people's struggle for national self-determination
    and the international working-class struggle for socialist
    emancipation. With his leadership, the Korean people defeated the
    Japanese colonial occupation and soon after brought about the first
    defeat of the U.S. imperialist military machine....


    Workers World Party values our close, comradely relations with the
    Workers Party of Korea very highly. We are proud to have known Kim Il
    Sung as a great leader and a comrade in the international communist
    movement. And it is with the most profound sense of loss that we mark
    his passing. Yet it is also with the greatest revolutionary optimism
    that we are confident that Comrade Kim Il Sung's legacy will live on
    with your efforts to win new victories for the Korean people.... With
    comradely solidarity, Sam Marcy Chairperson, Workers World Party":
    (see link for details)
    http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam9...ml/s940721.htm





    The WWP has organized, directed or participated in many coalition
    organizations for various causes, typically anti-imperialist in
    nature. The International Action Center, which counts many WWP
    members
    as leading activists, founded the Act Now To Stop War and End Racism
    (ANSWER) coalition shortly after 9/11, and has run both the All
    People's Congress (APC) and the International Action Center (IAC) for
    many years. The APC and the IAC in particular share a large degree of
    overlap in their memberships with cadre in the WWP. In 2004 , a youth
    group close to the WWP called Fight Imperialism Stand Together (FIST)
    was founded.
    (see link for details)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_World_Party

    And here's old (democrat) Charlie Rangel again with terrorist
    attorney
    Lynn
    Steward and International Action Center (IAC) leader Ramsey Clark, at
    the Workers World Party/Troops Out Now rally:
    (see link for details)
    http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html


    As for Bruce Kamiat's "moderate" political positions, he once
    admitted
    to me he attended an annual socialists scholars event at BMCC, a 2-
    year community college I attended during the eighties. The event
    included an indoctrination/propaganda campaign aimed at recruiting
    young naive college kids into the socialist and/or revolutionary
    communist movement. Kamiat also once stated that he went over to
    communist Nicaragua during the eighties to 'see for himself' what was
    happening there. Nothing wrong or illegal with any of this of course,
    but it does take away a bit from his claim that he is a standard
    liberal democrat. He also defended a so-called "anti-war" rally in
    NYC
    several years ago which was actually led by communist activist Leslie
    Cagan, who is/was? the founder and co-chair of the org Committees of
    Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism/CCDS. The CCDS is an
    offshoot of Communist Party USA. Obviously, any group or individual
    who supports "Revolution", such as the Cuban revolution, cannot
    possibly be truly "anti-war". In fact ALL of the popular "anti-war"
    coalitions around today were initiated by communist organizations. We
    have:


    United For Peace and Justice, chaired by the above mentioned, Castro
    supporter Leslie Cagan.


    Troops Out Now and A.N.S.W.E.R., both initiated and controlled by
    Workers World Party leadership or 'former' leadership.


    World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, initiated and controlled
    by the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).



    Bruce Kamiat <SN195...@prodigy.net> wrote:


    "Clabough accuses me of actual felonious acts (brandishing an
    unlicensed firearm with menacing intent) and potential for deadly
    violence. This is therefore far the
    more serious of the two. There are three basic components to this
    libel: that I threatened him with a gun; that I said "you never know
    who we might shoot"; and that I said "don't approach me in the park
    again," with various ominous implications he tries to attribute to
    this entreaty."

    I never mentioned anything about your gun being "illegal"
    Anyway, here is exactly what Bruce Kamiat said in his message:


    "By the way, don't approach me in the park again, Tom.
    Just don't...".


    And when I reminded the group of an earlier threat he made ("You
    never
    know who we might shoot!"), in which he included the following direct
    link to a photo of
    himself holding a gun while lurking in some decrepit old
    hallway somewhere, he reissued the threat by saying,


    "I'm glad you remember that, Tom. Keep it in mind."


    Sound like "sarcasm" to you?


    The photo, which had been in the group's file section, has since been
    removed. And since John Pazmino rarely, if ever, removes content from
    his group, I suspect that Bruce Kamiat himself removed the photo.


    On Sep 3, 6:29 pm, Bruce <SN195...@prodigy.net> wrote:



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    I'd like to take all you clowns who for whatever reason can't confine
    yourself to the political groups and shoot your live into the Sun.


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    On Sep 11, 11:32 am, Rich <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Normally Rich and I are on oppposite side, but this time I agree with
    him!
    Take your bullshit somewhere else


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    On Sep 11, 1:57 pm, mommycal...@gmail.com wrote:

    "shoot your live into the Sun"? Sounds like an intelligent group
    you've got here. In any case, I won't post anything else on the matter
    if Kamiat doesn't, but I might stick around for your scientific
    discussions. That could be fun.


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    On Sep 12, 12:09 am, Shave Bush's Ass <r...@mchsi.com> wrote:

    Excellent advice, "Shave Bush's Ass"!
    ...."Shave Bush's Ass"? Is this something you would like to do
    personally? lol. Why do you use such a title for participating in an
    astronomy forum? Are you, in fact, here to discuss astronomy?


    Tom 07 <tomc...wrote:

    On Oct 5, 2006, Democrat Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers Jr, the same who is out leading an "investigation" into
    the Bush White House, *gave a speech* to the World Can't Wait--Drive
    Out the Bush Regime organization.

    (see link for details--you'll need to stitch it back together first)
    http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?
    option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=243

    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ygx9w6

    Before that, he openly ENDORSED the movement!
    See "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include...".
    (John Conyers' endorsement appears immediately after Ward
    Churchill's)

    (see link for details--you'll need to stitch it back together first)
    http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_
    content&task=view&id=2538&Itemid=2

    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ef6z6

    FACT: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST-
    revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary
    Communist Party!
    (scroll down the list that appears to find the World Can't Wait
    organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist
    Party) :
    (see link for details)
    http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm



    Profile: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (WCW)

    *Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the
    Bush administration

    *Organizes college and high-school students

    *Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader
    of the Revolutionary Communist Party

    (see link for details)
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=7213


    behind World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, the same
    organization that democrat chair of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers of Michigan, endorsed, then gave a SPEECH to!

    The RCP "Mission Statement": "Create Public Opinion, Seize Power! We
    are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is
    a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes
    from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future
    Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and
    wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of
    winning.

    And we have said that building our party itself is the most important
    part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is
    true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the
    waging of that armed struggle. ":

    (see link for details)
    http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

    Here's the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of
    a FULL PAGE 'World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime' ad of
    theirs which actually appeared in the New York Slimes.
    (either "rwor.org" or "revcom.us" takes you to the website of the
    Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times allowed a 2nd full-page
    RCP/WCW ad to be run several months later! In fact, they are, or have
    very recently, ran another large ad.
    (see link for details)
    http://www.rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm
    -


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    On Sep 11, 2007 12:47 pm, Tom 07 <tomc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I do not intend to follow up with any further
    responses...unless he decides to provoke me again. Even in that case,
    I will try hard not to pay any attention to him.

    _____________________

    So much for his credibility.

    Bruce Kamiat

    _____________________



    On Sep 12, 6:32 am, Tom 07 <tomc...@yahoo.com> wrote:



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    On Sep 12, 5:32 am, Tom 07 <tomc...@yahoo.com> wrote:



    Nothing a good rightard for a good laugh in the morning. I thought
    this Bruce Kamiat stuff was nonsense, you merely proved that he was
    correct. It's sorry to see my home town fall as low as it has


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    On Sep 12, 10:25 am, mommycal...@gmail.com wrote:

    In other words, you're another dopey liberal who supports today's
    demonRat party. A party that moves more and more to the lunatic left
    every day. How could you not be ashamed of your party? And why is it
    that so few of you know how to write properly? "Nothing a good
    rightard"? "It's sorry to see my home town..."? Perhaps your English
    teacher was too busy filling your little brain with leftist
    propaganda? lol.

    Tom 07 <tomc...wrote:

    On Oct 5, 2006, Democrat Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers Jr, the same who is out leading an "investigation" into
    the Bush White House, *gave a speech* to the World Can't Wait--Drive
    Out the Bush Regime organization.

    (see link for details--you'll need to stitch it back together first)
    http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?
    option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=243

    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ygx9w6

    Before that, he openly ENDORSED the movement!
    See "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include...".
    (John Conyers' endorsement appears immediately after Ward
    Churchill's)

    (see link for details--you'll need to stitch it back together first)
    http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_
    content&task=view&id=2538&Itemid=2

    Or, if the long url above breaks up:
    http://tinyurl.com/ef6z6

    FACT: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST-
    revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary
    Communist Party!
    (scroll down the list that appears to find the World Can't Wait
    organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist
    Party) :
    (see link for details)
    http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm


    Profile: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (WCW)

    *Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the
    Bush administration

    *Organizes college and high-school students

    *Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader
    of the Revolutionary Communist Party

    (see link for details)
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=7213


    behind World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, the same
    organization that democrat chair of the House Judiciary Committee,
    John Conyers of Michigan, endorsed, then gave a SPEECH to!

    The RCP "Mission Statement": "Create Public Opinion, Seize Power! We
    are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is
    a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes
    from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future
    Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and
    wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of
    winning.

    And we have said that building our party itself is the most important
    part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is
    true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the
    waging of that armed struggle. ":

    (see link for details)
    http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

    Here's the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of
    a FULL PAGE 'World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime' ad of
    theirs which actually appeared in the New York Slimes.
    (either "rwor.org" or "revcom.us" takes you to the website of the
    Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times allowed a 2nd full-page
    RCP/WCW ad to be run several months later! In fact, they are, or have
    very recently, ran another large ad.
    (see link for details)
    http://www.rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm

    SHAME on you "liberal democrats" for supporting such a party.
    -


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    Right, I said unless you provoke me. And you did. Let's make a deal:
    I won't post any more followups on the matter if you don't. Agreed? A
    simple yes or no please. I'd much rather discuss astronomy with this
    group.


    On Sep 12, 8:08 am, Bruce <SN195...@prodigy.net> wrote:


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    Yes, let's stop torturing all these poor people on this list who never
    harmed either of us.

    All will be grateful for the relief.

    Bruce Kamiat
    ____________



    On Sep 12, 6:45 pm, Tom 07 <tomc...@yahoo.com> wrote:



 

 

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