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    Chandra solves black hole mystery (Jun 22)
    http://physicsweb.org/article/news/10/6/10

    The way in which black holes suck in matter from neighbouring stars is a
    fundamentally magnetic process and not just caused by gravity. That's
    the conclusion from new measurements of the X-rays emitted by the gas
    surrounding a nearby black hole in the Milky Way. Although predicted by
    theory over 30 years ago, this is the first time that this effect has
    been seen. The result -- based on measurements from the Chandra X-ray
    observatory -- could affect theories on how matter falls onto black
    holes and other compact objects (Nature 441 953).

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    Sam Wormley wrote:
    a fundamentally magnetic process, eh

    Good-bye suck gravity


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    "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
    news:449B684E.7040509@mchsi.com...

    Sam,
    how do you think the General Relativity Guru's
    who are on the taxpayer dole,
    will hack this into the General Relativity theory,
    and how long do you think they will take to do it?

    Or do you think that as few people,
    including the General Relativity Zombies,
    (And maybe even the GTR Guru's themselves.)
    can actually do the math,
    they will just claim to be privy to power, esoteric knowledge,
    and bullshit the troops?

    What theory predicted this over 30 years ago?
    I wonder why the GTR Guru's weren't hyping this
    prediction all along, if it fits nicely into GTR?

    Is this one of Will's hacks of the GPS system?
    I don't recall seeing this magnetic hack.

    In any case,
    you can bet that a hack,
    retroactive, or otherwise,
    will soon be forthcoming.

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    Tom Potter wrote:

    BTW Potter--I under estimated the value of the application of GTR
    to a global infrastructure benefiting people all over the world.

    June 21: Congressional Testimony Addresses Economic Significance of GPS
    http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/space/lib...erhearing.html

    Economic Value

    The economic value of GPS is difficult to quantify because it is so
    pervasive and integrated into the fabric of the economy. Counting the
    total number of GPS users in the world is a challenge, because the
    technology is often embedded in other products, such as cell phones,
    and consumers do not even know they are using it. According to one
    private sector firm, global sales of GPS user equipment currently
    exceed $20 billion a year and will continue growing at a healthy rate
    for the foreseeable future (1).

    Equipment sales represent only the tip of the economic iceberg. As
    with personal computers, the true value of GPS is not in the cost of
    the equipment, but in the productivity and growth it enables. U.S.
    industry has created new services and enhanced existing products by
    accessing GPS capabilities. The Department of Commerce has been
    working closely with the Department of Transportation to quantify the
    economic benefits of GPS in terms of the productivity gains enjoyed
    by civilian users, not just equipment sales. Within the next month,
    we will be publishing an article in the trade press describing some
    of our results. The article focuses on the quantifiable economic
    benefits of the next-generation GPS satellites, which began launching
    last year. One of the first upgrades that next-generation GPS
    delivers is a second civilian GPS signal, known as "L2C," which was
    specifically designed to enhance the commercial utility of GPS. Under
    the most likely scenario, we estimate L2C could enable over $5
    billion in economic productivity benefits over the next 30 years.

    See: http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/space/lib...erhearing.html

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    Sam Wormley wrote:

    Sam you always get GTR confused with GPS.

    GTR is a Tower of Babel
    that waste billions of dollars annually,
    trillions of man hours annually,
    and millions of minds.

    GPS is a navigation system
    which had, and has,
    nothing to do with GPS.

    No doubt oscillators are affected by acceleration,
    but this could be best called the Galileo Effect,
    as he discovered the effect over 300 years ago,
    and of course, Galileo's equation doesn't
    require 13 hacks as GTR does.

    I think you are confused because
    several GTR Charlatans
    who are on the taxpayer dole,
    are constantly trying to con folks into thinking that
    they are privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge
    that is essential to the GPS system.
    sliced bread, and Viagra.

    In other words,
    they babble about GTR just like
    Astrologers babble about horoscopes,
    and naturally a certain number of people
    are fooled by these charlatans.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    And the billions of dollars that will go into
    trying to hack GTR to fit the new data ain't hay.

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    Tom Potter wrote:

    It is already in conventional GTR as applied to AGNs and other
    candidate black hole/compact stellar remnant power sources. And it has
    been since 1977.

    What is new is that Chandra has *observed* some of the time dependent
    consequences of the theoretical predictions which will further
    constrain theoretical models.


    Depends if the Chandra data conflicts at all with the standard model.
    It would be more interesting if it did, but the basics look like a
    pretty good confirmation so far.

    Blandford & Znajek published the original paper showing how the
    magnetic field of a spinning BH could generate friction to drag matter
    in and generate relativistic jets.

    Roger Blandford is still active in the field.
    http://www.its.caltech.edu/~rblandfo/


    It was taught in astrophysics classes from the time it was first
    proposed.

    No other energy source comes close to explaining how quasars and AGNs
    can burn so bright from such a compact region. The last time this stuff
    hit the public conciousness was when the VLA first observed a
    relatvistic jet in one radio lobe of Cygnus A.

    Regards,
    Martin Brown


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    malibu wrote:

    A Black Hole is intense spin increasing to a point.
    Falling into one means (for charges) being separated
    into electrons and protons by virtue of that intense
    spin. Nothing gets through that intense spin, so it is
    gravitationally the most dense.
    The magnetism created by the intense spin blows the
    high-energy electrons and protons off as plasma.
    Meantime matter which has degenerated far enough
    into uncharged neutrons is re-captured gravitationally
    by the Black Hole.
    John


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    Martin Brown wrote:

    The articles states:
    "The way in which black holes suck in matter from neighbouring stars
    is a fundamentally magnetic process and not just caused by gravity.
    That's the conclusion from new measurements of the X-rays
    emitted by the gas surrounding a nearby black hole in the Milky Way."

    GTR Gurus usually state:
    "The essence of general relativity is
    that mass tells space how to bend.."

    They don't talk much about electro-magnetism.

    It is interesting to see that each new hack of general relativity
    brings it closer and closer to Maxwell's Equations.

    In time the GTR Gurus will be saying:
    "The essence of general relativity is
    that electro-magnetism tells space how to bend.."

    Maxwell knew that long ago.

    Note that Maxwell used "del factor"
    rather than "rigid rulers"
    as the measure of space.

    "del factor" takes multiple dimensions and
    non-linearity's of space into consideration,
    "rigid rods" do not.


    You figure it out,
    what is the better measure of space,

    multi-dimensional del factor,

    or a single dimensional "rigid ruler"
    that has to be rotated in space?

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    esmartguy here; 06/26/2006 I believe that black holes are nothing more
    then then just a star about to burn out like when you blow out a stick
    match just in slow motion but if it was a black hole then I wouldn't be
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    In article <1151336496.367616.16480@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>,
    esmartguy <tjtocco@netzero.net> wrote:


    Great joke! Really funny.

    No wait, you're serious right?

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