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    Totally agree Brad, we never went.

    Say, I wonder if I could ask your help on some homework questions
    I've been set. I ask yourself in particular because you have an IQ
    of 170 (some people dispute that but I believe you). Here are the
    questions:

    Are movie stars really spheres of gas powered by fusion?
    Are Canadians really robots?
    Should you read every spam message you receive?
    Are the United States of America a monarchy ?
    Is chemistry the study of how people fall in love?
    Are computer monitors made of cheese?
    Can I go to the moon on a balloon?
    Are silicon chips good to eat?
    Is being called a son of a ***** is complimentary ?
    Will I die if I delete a spam message?
    Do worms live in the clouds ?
    Do paper clips taste good?
    Does every person on planet Earth own a telescope?
    Do most humans live more than 120 years?
    Is the sun made out of sausages?
    Can I purchase the Galileo spacecraft from JPL?
    Is a guitar a type of automobile?
    Did many important film directors have only one eye?
    Do you score points in basketball by punching the referee ?
    Have you ever smoked a crayon?
    Do you like to lick cows?
    Does all art appeal to all people?
    Do you score points in basketball by walking on your hands ?
    Have you ever dated a termite?
    Should you always spit on your friends when you like them?
    Is there anyone living on Mercury?
    Would you like to live in a barrel full of eels?
    Is a mountain an area of flat land?
    Do cats use cellphones?
    Have you ever wanted to chase a pickle?
    Have you ever dreamed of using Windows CE on your birthday?
    Have you ever wanted to marry a duck?
    Is a credenza something good to eat?
    Have you ever visited the star system Epsilon Eridani?
    does feces tast like chocalate pie?
    Are Klingons considered aquatic?
    does hydrogen gas consist of shoes and water?
    Is grey hair a sign of youth?
    Is plastic a natural creation?
    Can a human breath pizza?
    do computers need food?
    Is the American flag purple?
    Are Humans processed into juice?
    Would you pay $10,000 to have *** with Bill Gates?
    Are balls square?
    Is Washington, D.C. the capital of France?
    Is Oregon a state near China?
    is the earth a carnivore ?
    Is it healthy for humans to drink only seawater?
    Do gorillas use deodorant?
    A human being has got 4 legs?
    Is a Boeing 747 a kind of duck?
    Are MAGIC 8 BALLS reliable?
    Do you like to eat 100 kilos of spam every day?
    Will the Hubble Space Telescope be used for housing homeless cats?
    is teen wolf 2 the greatest movie ever made?



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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty


    <astronomer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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    Hey that's no fair, you didn't print the answers.



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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    Unlike "astrono", possibly yourself and seemingly most others within
    this Usenet that sucks and blows, I don't know all there is to know,
    and I even make more than my fair share of mistakes. Of course, it
    would certainly help if others that seemingly always insist that they
    do know all there is to know, if those wizards would share and share
    alike, while tossing out as little flak and none of their usual PC
    intended spermware/malware that only proves that I'm more right than
    I'd thought.
    ~

    Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
    The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
    Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
    Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; War is war, thus "in war there are
    no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
    with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
    such as GW Bush.


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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    On 13 Oct 2005, Brad Guth wrote:


    This is the closest I've seen a conspiracy nut such as yourself
    come to apologize--good for you.

    --
    Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
    "I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
    Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
    Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
    violent." -- Dan Savage


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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    Jim Phillips,
    Thanks for respecting that I'm unlike yourself, in that I'm not nearly
    as all-knowing. Though otherwise you're still such a total certified
    LLPOF of a brown-nosed borg that you simply must start sleeping between
    Bush and Cheney.

    Please check my previous contribution as listed above.

    At least "David Williams" isn't entirely assimilated into your
    mainstream status quo. Therefore, perhaps you should direct some of
    your spermware/malware flak into his computer as long as your MI6/NSA
    spooks are doing their level best to infect my PC.

    I could get a bit more accurate about the required distance in order to
    have mastered an Earth/moon shot, and even the Earth/moon w/Venus or
    otherwise w/Mercury, although that would only further prove that I'm
    right and that you're not worth so much as used toilet-paper.

    Why are you so afraid of allowing the public to realize how extremely
    dark and nasty our moon really is?
    ~

    Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
    The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
    Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
    Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; War is war, thus "in war there are
    no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
    with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
    such as GW Bush.


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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    On 14 Oct 2005, Brad Guth wrote:


    First of all, you snipped them out.
    Second of all, you never actually answered my points about the
    brightness of the Earth in comparison to the brightness of other bodies at
    the time MESSENGER flew by Earth.


    Your paranoid fantasies have no effect on our discussion.
    And if you're that paranoid about such things, buy a Mac.


    I accept your surrender on this point.


    One of the more bizarre nonsequiturs I've seen. How do you construe
    my questioning of your demonstrably wrong claims about MESSENGER somehow a
    claim that the Moon isn't "dark and nasty"?

    --
    Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
    "I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
    Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
    Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
    violent." -- Dan Savage


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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    Dear Mr. pro warlord(GW Bush) and otherwise LLPOF incest cloned
    brown-nosed borg (ala Jim Phillips),
    The moon is not only extremely dark and nasty, it's also extremely
    reactive, and your MESSENGER did all they could to avoid getting an
    image of that moon or of anything other than Earth by simply using
    8-bit or less of the lowest portion of the CCD dynamic range (those
    could have been limited to as little a 6-bit and have given us the
    terrific 128:1 DR image of Earth). End of that discussion because all
    that you intend to accomplish is MOS dog-wagging and damage-control as
    based upon conditional physics and upon evidence exclusions.

    Not that any self-respecting pro-NASA/Apollo individual is ever going
    to accept the truth as to this notion that our NASA uses our solar
    illuminated moon as their satellite instrument calibration of
    hard-X-ray dosage but, if you ever bothered to accomplish the reverse
    math upon what that alone represents as based upon the square of the
    distance and lo and behold, the resulting near surface dosage
    (especially of the solar illuminated deck) becomes real nasty.

    There's roughly 376,284 km of surface to surface distance between the
    two of us. A satellite or that of ISS at 400 km off the deck will bring
    that down to 375, 884 km of least distance between their orbit and
    closest distance from the lunar deck. Of course there's factors that'll
    have to make the distance upon average a bit greater, thus for argument
    sake of what's radiating hard-X-rays at us, lets give this distance a
    factor of 380,000 km to work with.

    If you'd like being ultra conservative (even though it's closer to a
    millirem/day) give the measured secondary/recoil dosage that's
    specifically of hard-X-rays as derived off the reactive moon as being
    worth just one extra microrem (0.000001 rem) per day as measured by ISS
    instruments.

    Then because the Van Allen zone is such an expanse that represents a
    significant shield or buffer worth a conservative factor of 100:1 makes
    the first half distance basis of TBI dosage amount to 400e-6 rem/day at
    190,000 km away from the solar illuminated deck of the moon, with the
    remainder of the distance strictly a ratio of increased TBI dosage
    increase as based upon the square of the distance.

    380,000 km = 1e-6 rem/day
    190,000 km = 400e-6 rem/day
    95,000 km = 1600e-6 rem/day
    47,500 km = 6400e-6 rem/day
    23,750 km = 25.6e-3 rem/day
    11,875 km = 102.4e-3 rem/day
    5,938 km = 409.6e-3 rem/day
    2,969 km = 1.638 rem/day
    1,485 km = 6.552 rem/day
    742.5 km = 26.2 rem/day
    371.3 km = 104.8 rem/day
    185.6 km = 419.2 rem/day

    Thus even at 1 microrem/day that's impacting ISS or any other satellite
    as having derived hard-X-rays off the solar reactive moon, and if going
    into orbiting mode within 1r (1738 km) off the lunar deck is worth
    nearly 6 rem/day. Even dividing that dosage in half because of your
    orbiting the moon makes it worth 3 rem per day while orbiting 1738 km
    off the deck. Of course, since this is almost entirely solar influx
    generated and the sun itself is anything but a constant, thus if the
    starting point of this measurement was actually based upon the extra
    millirem/day instead of the extra microrem/day, as such you're now
    looking at the orbiting dosage of 3,000 rem or 30 Sv/day that's of
    hard-X-rays being external to your spacecraft as derived upon average
    off the reactive moon.

    Naturally our NASA/Apollo missions were so much closer than 1738 km off
    the deck, and for those supposedly upon the deck were obviously getting
    TBI nailed real good. Of course that's not possible if you'd take the
    NASA/Apollo bible into account because, we're only off by a few
    thousand to one.

    Of course the lunar nighttime and the actual substance of the moon
    itself is going to contribute it's fair share of background and
    reactive cosmic sourced worth of hard-X-rays that shouldn't contribute
    1% of what the solar impacted side has to offer, of which from such an
    extreme orbit of 1738 km off the deck should be all that testy.
    Although actually being on the nighttime/earthshine illuminated deck
    it's going to be worth several rads/day if not per hour, which isn't a
    problem for robotics w/o DNA.

    Though as per usual, each and every day it's getting worse off, as I
    seem to have gotten more than my fair share of the GOOGLE/NOVA V-Chip
    spermware/malware gauntlet that's specifically associated specifically
    with my MI6/NSA Usenet interactions, thus nearly always I'm having to
    frequently reboot because of their ongoing efforts as to damage and/or
    eliminate my existence as far as having any public Usenet access or
    even so much as a working PC. This is the absolute truth and nothing
    but the truth that's easily 100% provable, which only further
    demonstrates that I'm essentially right about most everything, thus
    worth targeting on behalf of damage-control. The excuses that it's all
    my fault and that GOOGLE/NOVA and their partners MI6/NSA in crimes
    against humanity can't possibly avoid nor track a given source of
    spermware/malware, much less block it is another LLPOF proof-positive
    that I'm right.

    BTW; using a MAC isn't offering any form of buffer or other worthy
    shield against the vast expertise and gauntlet of spermware/malware
    generated by GOOGLE/NOVA and their MI6/NSA partners in crimes against
    humanity.
    ~

    Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
    The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
    Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
    Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; War is war, thus "in war there are
    no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
    with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
    such as GW Bush.


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    Default MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty

    On 15 Oct 2005, Brad Guth wrote:


    What a ridiculous statement!
    In what way is the Moon "reactive"?

    by simply using

    And you *still* haven't explained why the MESSENGER people would
    bother (or even need) to image the Earth and Moon. They tested their
    instruments on the Earth to make sure they work. They didn't "avoid"
    getting an image of the Earth and Moon, they didn't waste the precious flyby
    time with a dumbass idea like that.


    Are you saying that x-rays from the Moon are dangerous???


    I reject your premise that the Moon is "radiating hard-X-rays at us"
    without some evidence beyond your say-so, since your say-so on other matters
    has proven to be way off.

    big snip

    --
    Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
    "I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
    Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
    Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
    violent." -- Dan Savage


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    Jim Phillips;
    It has mass. I believe the average is something like 3.35 g/cm3

    Any mass (including air or even H2) creates secondary/recoil photons.
    The greater the density of a raw naked mass becomes the greater worth
    of secondary/recoil photons generated. I believe it would take perhaps
    30t/m2 worth of solid lead(Amu 207) in order to accomplish as much
    attenuation as 10t/m2 of atmosphere(Amu 29).

    Even Aluminum has an Amu value of 27
    This next hot-link gets a wee bit confusing as to whatever your
    aluminum craft shielding aspects of secondary TBI amounts to. However,
    with some effort you can safely extrapolate as to what's necessary out
    of this NASA official set of charts, though due to the usual
    hocus-pocus scientific encryptions, I'd advise that you carefully read
    through the fine print several times before coming to any conclusions:
    http://conxproject.gsfc.nasa.gov/rad...on_x_dose1.pdf

    Only to DNA/RNA, but otherwise you'd be just a bit roasting but
    otherwise fine and dandy, that is unless something such as a spec of
    sand or even dust-bunny arrives upon your moonsuit at 3+km/s, much less
    30+km/s.

    See "David Williams" and my reply to his perfectly honest
    contributions.

    OK, reject all you want, reject your own mother for all I care, as then
    you're rejecting that NASA and our AirForce uses our moon all the time
    as a point-source of their radiation instrument calibration, which I do
    believe at good altitude a full moon is worth more than contributing an
    extra mr/day, and obviously there's more yet if you're situated in LEO,
    whereas ISS is only 50% of the time being exposed. I do not know what
    the maximum secondary influx dosage is worth but, I'd have to think
    that coming off a full-moon as having a truly bad and nasty solar day
    is when 100 mr/day becomes possible. In which case the solar
    illuminated lunar deck itself is good for all of a few minutes of
    moonsuit exposure before even having that cash of banked bone marrow
    can't save the day.

    Obviously an extra whopping 100 mr/day as having been contributed by a
    moon is reduced by the ISS shielding to levels that are not short-term
    lethal. It takes 0.7"(18 mm) of pure lead to cut hard-X-ray dosage by
    50%. Fortunately for the likes of ISS, 50% of the time they have the
    entire Earth plus a bit of it's atmosphere as blocking. Fortunately
    there are few of those bad solar days, as well as most often there
    isn't always a full moon to deal with. So, there's lots of good things
    going on behalf of surviving within ISS, that is as long as they manage
    to stay clear of the SAA, or didn't you realize there was a perfectly
    lethal reason why ISS can't safely cruise much greater than 375 km (it
    seems the sky is essentially falling, and that's because the
    magnetosphere energy level is falling like never previously recorded).

    Because of folks like yourself is why I've elected to use the
    microrem/day as a calibration starting off point for estimating the
    near surface environment of the solar illuminated moon, which is still
    way too damn TBI for my body and soul, not to mention a little tough on
    my DNA/RNA.
    ~

    Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
    The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
    Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
    http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
    Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; War is War, thus "in war there are
    no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
    with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
    such as GW Bush.


 

 

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