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    > > ... Gagarin didn't even know what was in store for him up there.

    Years later, when the Apollo-Soyuz flight joined up, the concern was it
    would put American astronauts at risk by making their life dependent on
    Soviet engineering.

    Given a choice between going up in Gagarin's ship or going up in Glenn's, I
    would choose the Mercury/Atlas every time. That doesn't even take into
    account the support team behind if something went wrong like Apollo 13 ---
    where it broke and the support team still got them home safe again. If you
    had been up in a busted ship like that, would you want the American team or
    the Soviet team behind you?

    It's not simple patriotism or "our engineers are better than yours." It was
    a workplace environment created all the way at the top. In the one case:
    "You will get a man up there, no matter how many you kill doing it." vs.
    "Make sure you get them back safe as we can't take the propaganda hit if you
    kill someone." (not the only reason --- this is oversimplified)

    Look at the response to the Apollo 1 fire. Do you really think that would
    have slowed the top Soviet leadership down to the same degree, or caused the
    same level of improvement that happened in the Block II capsules? If the
    Soviet's had had that big of a lead, they would have pushed ahead to make
    sure they got there first --- lives of the astronauts were not nearly as
    important. You've got to be brave (or crazy) to get into the capsule when
    you know there is not as strong a push to make sure you survive.

    Clear Skies

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    and they thought it was gone! Bushites.


    Dave Mitsky wrote:



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    CLT:


    Vastly. I was "involved" with the Soviet space and missile programs in
    the 1960's in an intelligence collection and analysis capacity in the
    U.S. Air Force. I disagree with your implication that there was
    complete disregard for Cosmonaut's lives in the Soviet program.


    The Soviets had no lead at all. We only collected, analyzed, and
    reported; the nation's political leadership decides how intelligence is
    to be used to further their own agenda.

    Davoud

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    The "Hubble Origins Probe" (HOP, what's been referred to here as "HST
    Mark II") would use a new lighter-weight mirror, presumably to allow a
    lighter structure and accommodate a cheaper launcher (Atlas, not
    Shuttle). The instruments would also be new: the ones built for the
    now-doubtful HST repair mission, not pulled out of some museum exhibit.
    See http://www.pha.jhu.edu/hop/

    One billion dollars is what NASA now says it would charge against its
    budget for an HST repair flight, which is just one more way for NASA to
    try to kill the idea. Weighing costs and returns (and ignoring the
    small incremental risk to the Shuttle itself), to me the HOP proposal
    looks better than HST repair.

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    Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:


    Particularly after Komarov's death. As has become clear (read Asif
    Siddiqi's "Challenge to Apollo" if you have the slightest interest
    in the Societ space program), the Soviet leadership was very
    serious about the decision that never again would a cosmonaut be
    sent on a flight profile which had not been done with the same
    design under automatic and ground control. They held to this even
    though it may well have cost the USSR a shot at the first person
    around the Moon. The real recklessness was in the early days
    (I'm particularly thinking of Voskhod, either one).o

    Bill Keel

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    > The real recklessness was in the early days

    Agreed. With Gagarin, I was talking about the earliest days.

    Clear Skies

    Chuck Taylor
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    Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

    Are you interested in understanding optics?
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