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    With all the discussions about the Chinese 80ED refractors entering the
    market, one detail that always seems to be overlooked is "Where do you
    buy one the CHEAPEST?"

    In my opinion, a discussion of where to buy it is as important as its
    quality compared to the high end refractors.

    So, where would you buy it if you were going to buy one today?
    Thanks for any comments that you might have to offer.

    TMT


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    Default Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor

    Do I take the lack of responses as a sign that the retailers are all
    charging the same price for the same product?

    If so, where is the competitiveness of the marketplace that we are
    supposed to have?

    TMT


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    On 1 Feb 2005 09:14:06 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
    <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:


    Cheapest is probably $400 for the 80mm ED.
    http://www.skywatchertelescope.net/WhatsNew.html

    That and the Orion are the same scope.

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    Default Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor

    Thanks for responding.

    I was aware of the Skywatcher offering.

    What I find interesting is that for a scope that is supposely sought
    after in a market niche where the sky is usually the limit, we are
    seeing very little competitive pricing among the vendors that I am
    aware of. I would expect to see a more aggressive sales effort among
    the vendors.

    Another question....has the introduction of cheaper Chinese APOs caused
    a drop of pricing for other refractors?


    TMT


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    Default Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor

    You won't see any better pricing on an item that costs at wholesale
    close to the lowest price. I know for a fact the pricing and there is
    now way at the moment the price is going to drop much if at all below
    $399.
    Also there ae complicated legal agreements in place that prevent
    competition in the US market and other selected markets. They are
    designed to curtail competition and price wars.




    Too_Many_Tools wrote:
    caused


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    "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message .

    At $400-$500 per unit, I doubt there's a lot of profit margin left. When
    margins get thin, vendors quickly adopt a "take it or leave it" mentality.


    In terms of price, it had an effect on other $400-$500 refractors, not on
    premium scopes. In terms of sales volume, nobody's telling.

    Ed T.



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    Default Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor

    I too have seen the "actual" price of these scopes....it is far below
    $399.

    The dealers also have a much greater profit margin in this type of the
    refractor than its high end competitor.

    As for "complicated legal agreements", I think you have just noted the
    problem we are really seeing. The importers are taking great pains to
    keep the prices up in the market.

    for the higher end scopes. I know of seven user in our own little club
    who were saving for a high end refractor but now have purchased a
    Chinese 80ED. They are very happy with their purchases and will not be
    buying another.

    Those buyers represent lost sales to the companies that would have
    normally have sold a high end APO refractor.

    TMT


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    As in all imports from China, the profit margins are much larger than
    the domestic counterpart.

    Otherwise, why would a company go to the effort to design, manufacture
    and import the merchandise?

    As I mentioned in the other post, there seem to be indications that the
    Chinese refractors are affecting sales of the traditional producers of
    the high end refractors.

    TMT


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    "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message


    I think you're right, some will opt for the 80ED instead of the high enders.
    But long term there will be those who get their feet wet with the Orion and
    decide to upgrade. I think an entry level apochromat is good for the
    premium makers.

    Ed T.



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    On 2 Feb 2005 09:13:56 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
    <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:


    Some of them do. Some are people who wouldn't be buying into apos
    at "American and Russian" price points and some are people who
    have always wanted an apo but couldn't afford one until now.
    -Rich


 

 
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