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    I would agree...but...the people I am talking about WERE saving for the
    traditional APOs.

    After the Orion 80ED, they will be spending their money on other
    things...NOT other APOs.

    TMT


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    I would agree BUT many times the urge to buy a specific scope pales
    once you have something that is 95% of the original.

    Of all the owners of the Chinese 80EDs, only two are still planning on
    upgrading later. The others are satisfied with the performance they are
    receiving and are spending their money on mount upgrades, eyepieces and
    such.

    I expect to see this same trend when the 100 ED scopes are more
    available.

    TMT


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    I tend to agree. Perhaps when there wasn't a heavy supplier of a variety of
    cheap but fairly good quality refractors, those that might wish for one would
    have been pushed into getting a high-end refractor instead. Now that there is a
    choice, the sales for the high-enders has probably slackened off a bit, but only
    for those that were forced to consider them when the buyers were really thinking
    medium to low-priced instruments.

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    "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message


    Here's a couple of star photos taken through the two Orion scopes:

    http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280632
    http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280630

    Ed T.



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    Nice images Ed, and they show that these inexpensive scopes can generate decent
    images.

    But where did the dark spikes come from in the second image?

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    "David Nakamoto" <res07oeg@verizon.net> wrote in message
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    I found the link on the Yahoo refractors group. Roland C. said they were
    likely the result of the lens spacers extending into the light path, perhaps
    exacerbated by a bit of turned down edge.

    Regards, Ed T.



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    Actually you couldn't have seen the correct wholesale price and then
    say its far below because its not. Sorry a dealer has to buy something
    and sit on till its sold and you need a margin in the 35-40% range to
    make any real profit and these scopes are not coming in that cheap when
    sold for $399. At $499 the profit is there and reasonable.

    Next time you troll don't bother because that is all this is. If you
    want to say that you think they should be cheaper than say so don't
    ***** foot around.


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    "If you want to say that you think they should be cheaper than say s*o
    don't
    ***** foot around. "

    No trolling here but I think you need to read the title of this
    thread....

    "Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor"

    Seems like that is what I am saying.... alot cheaper.

    There is plenty of profit margin at $399.

    Do you really think the vendor selling at $399 is doing it for free?


    "you need a margin in the 35-40%* range to make any real profit"

    Real profit? Try alot more. Plenty of room for discounts.
    Refractors are going to get much cheaper in the future.

    TMT


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    You seem to think they should do it for free so you can get a better
    price.
    This is a troll sorry you won't admit it because if you know the
    wholesale pricing then you know someone who will sell it to you for
    that and stop bothering the rest of the world with complaining there
    are no discounts.

    And don't try to tell me what real profit is I am a manufacturer.
    BYE BYE TROLL


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    Sir, it sounds like you are the one who is the troll....and a worried
    one at that.

    Whether you are a manufacturer is very doubtful, much more likely a
    vendor who is worried about his profit margins shrinking further than
    it has already.

    Well, get used to it. Your competition is already selling product
    cheaper and cheaper. Do you think Orion is happy about the Skywatcher
    discount of 20%? It is the first of many to come.

    And who said anything about wholesale pricing, let's talk about actual
    production cost. If you are a manufacturer, care to tell us what your
    actual production cost is for a 80ED refractor? ;<)


 

 
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