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    Does anyone know why Orion keeps selling higher end equipment and then
    dropping it after a short time? When I first got into this hobby,
    they sold Pentax XL eyepieces and Vixen fluorite refractors. I may be
    mistaken but I think I remember seeing the Pronto in their catalog as
    well. Premium binoculars in one catalog, gone the next. Now they
    have the Coronado PST; how long will it be offered? I'm not
    complaining about Orion; I like to order from them as I've always had
    great service from them, but I'm curious as to why they go through the
    trouble of offering really good equipment and then just dropping it
    all completely.

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    They seem to have a proclivity to sell items like that early on and then
    change to a "Chinese Copy" (literally!) for reduced price.

    Hmmm .. I wonder if reverse engineering a PST is beyond the reach of
    that approach :-)

    Phil

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    Bill wrote:

    I think they know where the sales volume and the profit margins are the
    highest, and their current line reflects it. Therefore over the years
    they have slowly gravitated away from quality, and toward junk. That
    this has happened is not to fault them (they are following a sensible
    business model, and achieving the American dream), but rather to fault
    the consumer. This tells me the average consumer is buying mainly on
    price alone, with little regard for the origin of (mostly communist
    China), and even less regard for the quality of the merchandise purchased.

    Lawrence Sayre

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    a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral
    purpose of his life, with productive achievement as
    his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

    Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')


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    >Hmmm .. I wonder if reverse engineering a PST is beyond the reach of

    I think such a thing would be ridiculous, given that the PST is as inexpensive
    as it is. For what it is, I mean. Think about how much a prominence filter
    from Thousand Oaks costs, then compare the PST to that. How can you complain
    about the cost of the PST?

    Mark

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    >Therefore over the years

    Hi:

    Except that they haven't. Orion's telescopes _are_ inexpensive but they are
    hardly junk. The Orion XT dobs, for example may not be everybody's cup of tea
    (including mine), but they are hardly junk. They work very well indeed,
    especially considering their low prices. Whether you want to buy equipment from
    Mainland China or not is up to you, but what Orion offers is good if not
    high-end or "premium."

    Peace,
    Rod Mollise
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    Mark Rosengarten wrote:

    I own one and I am not "complaining" but merely speculating re a
    specific new product in the Orion catalog (as an example) in response to
    a question posted on saa.

    Would it be "ridiculous"? Maybe not. Orion has replaced less expensive
    items (e.g., parallelogram bino mount) of US origin with Chinese
    versions to shave $50-100 off the price.

    I suspect the PST would be in the "too hard" category -- given that it
    is a very specialized device. But given the high interest/demand it
    would not surprise me if Orion is studying that question.

    Phil


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    Rod Mollise wrote:


    I agree. I've never been disappointed by any item from Orion. They
    generally work as advertized and are a good value. One exception was a
    large Dob damaged in shipment due to poor packaging. I had no problem
    returning it for a full refund.

    Phil


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    "Lawrence Sayre" <lsayre@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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    Therefore over the years

    Troll.



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    John wrote:

    No troll! Where are the TeleVue's, the Takahashi's, the Celestrons, the
    Meade's, The Pentax's, the Zeiss, etc, etc, etc....? At one time Orion
    carried (simultaniously) Celestron, Meade, TeleVue and Pentax (with both
    scopes and eyepieces represented among them). Then they dropped each of
    these and carried Intes. Then they even dropped Intes. Why do they not
    carry any of these at the present time? They vanished one at a time
    from the catalog, only to be replaced by lesser quality Chinese stuff.
    Since when is this (I.E. the blatant truth) to be considered trolling???
    When even Vixen vanishes from Orion's catalog (and even here the
    presence is dwindling), the transformation will be complete. The
    saddest part is that people don't even seem to notice it happening.

    Lawrence Sayre

    --
    My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as
    a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral
    purpose of his life, with productive achievement as
    his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

    Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')


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    "Lawrence Sayre" <lsayre@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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    I suspect such items vanished simply because everyone else sells them, and
    folks were not buying them from Orion. For the money, many of Orion's
    products are actually quite good, and have improved over the years.

    Clear skies, Alan


 

 
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