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    "Lawrence Sayre" <lsayre@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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    the
    Orion
    both
    of
    not
    trolling???

    Orion seems to be reinventing itself as the "Volkswagen" of astronomy.
    Not high end, not "department store," just good, solid low cost
    telescopes for the masses. I almost invariably recommend Orion scopes to
    people at star parties who ask me what a good "beginner" scope is.



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    "Paul Lawler" <stargazer@kilolaniDOT.net> wrote in message
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    Orion doesn't make anything. They are a storefront for Synta. Of course that
    begs the question, is Synta privately owned, or publically traded? Or is it
    a state run company, and if so, just where does your money go?

    I have a beef with Orion. I have a beef with Americans who flock to Chinese
    goods, without having a clue or a care as to just what they are supporting
    in the end.

    Would any of you want an A-P refractor for half the price if you knew that
    it meant the laborers had to live in a work-camp, and the industrial waste
    was being washed down a drain and making it's way back into the public water
    supply?

    Someone please prove me wrong about these Chinese companies. I simply can't
    buy anything from them ever again, until I know. In the absence of such
    knowledge, I'd rather just go without, until I can afford something made
    under US environmental and labor laws. At least with US manufacturers and
    labor, you know what you are paying for.

    Have a nice day.
    Stephen Paul



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    "Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    <PLONK>



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    "Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    I'm sorry... were you plonking yourself here?



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    "Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    astronomy.
    course that
    is it
    Chinese
    supporting
    that
    waste
    water
    can't
    such
    made
    and

    I have no specific evidence regarding the working conditions of Synta,
    and you have only posed questions, without providing answers. While I
    may indeed sympathize with the plight of many Chinese workers, if they
    were not living in work camps amid industrial waste manufacturing
    telescopes, I have little doubt they would still be living in work camps
    amid industrial waste manufacturing something else, and my (or even all
    amateur astronomers collectively) refusing to purchase Chinese made
    products would not change their condition in the slightest.



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    Stephen Paul wrote:

    Thanks Stephen! I'm glad that there is someone out there who
    essentially agrees with my original post, and is not afraid to say what
    is at the root of the problem here.

    Lawrence Sayre

    --
    My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as
    a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral
    purpose of his life, with productive achievement as
    his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

    Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')


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    Lawrence Sayre wrote:


    We all notice. But I have used a number of the products they (still)
    sell and none are really junk. To me "junk" denotes dept store
    telescopes and the like. I believe with Orion you DO get what you pay
    for: No misadvertising (in most cases). If you want better, buy elsewhere.

    Phil


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    Stephen Paul wrote:


    That's fair.


    That is not.

    Phil


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    Well, then this thread is not related to astronomy at all but to social
    philosophy. Now I understand and will stop reading it.

    Phil

    Lawrence Sayre wrote:



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    Phil Wheeler wrote:

    The clear consensus here is that Orion was right in choosing the
    business philosophy they are currently pursuing, with the proof being
    that most people are willing to support them all the way. Such support
    and business success can only lead to more of the same from Orion, and
    may one day lead to the same from many (if not most) others retailing in
    this market place. When and if this happens, buying better elsewhere
    may prove to be difficult. I could argue regarding the morality of such
    a philosophy (both for Orion, and for those who are overall happy with
    what Orion is doing to the amateur astro industry in general), but this
    is not the place for that. Despite my sig, I'm here on
    'sci.astro.amateur' to share in promoting amateur astronomy, and not my
    philosophy. Therefore, since I can only promote the one to the
    detriment of the other regarding this issue, I will refrain from
    participating further in this particular thread.

    Lawrence Sayre

    --
    My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as
    a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral
    purpose of his life, with productive achievement as
    his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

    Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')


 

 
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