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    I noticed the Zeiss & Pentax orthos & even a couple Zeiss monos have
    been avalable for sale on Astromart lately. Wonder if people are
    selling these to help finance the new AP eyepieces or maybe TMB monos
    or what ever? I made a mistake 10 years or so ago selling a perfectly
    good 10mm clave Plossl on TSM to finance a 10mm Masuyama. The sales
    pitch from the dealer who will go unnamed said it was an ortho with an
    air spaced triplet ... uh-uh. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts
    were.

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    "Jerry" <jerryeyoung@juno.com> wrote in message
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    Jerry,

    Its my opinion that the new eyepieces make it less important to hang on to
    the classics (for observers, not collectors). In the past, if you wanted
    the best planetary eyepieces you had to snap up discontinued products before
    they got even harder to find. Now, if you sell your Zeiss or Pentax you can
    pull out your credit card and replace them with something quite comparable
    in terms of performance. I noticed a similar trend in Japan, when the
    Pentax XO-5 came out the Pentax O-5 became easier to find on the used
    market.

    Regards,
    Ed T.



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    On 8 May 2004 10:00:48 -0700, Jerry <jerryeyoung@juno.com> wrote:



    My only thought (being a very big fan of the various "pusdo Masuyama's"
    available in the US) would be to ask you just how good the real thing is
    in 10mm? I'm amazed by the optical quality of the various Celestron
    Ultimas, Antares Elites (formerly also called Ultimas, etc...), and Orion
    Ultrascopics I've looked through. The only true Masuyama I've looked
    through was a 30mm, and it was sweet. I can't imagine that you made a
    mistake by moving from a Clave to a Masuyama. Both are now considered
    collectors items (with the Masuyama perhaps a bit less so than "original"
    Clave's at the moment, because it isn't quite as rare, and it hasn't been
    out of production as long), and it would not surprise me if the Masuyama's
    are superior overall optically to the Clave's. I make this prediction
    since the TeleVue Plossl is considered optically superior to the Clave
    (and has the [now expired] TeleVue Plossl optical patent to prove it), and
    I find the Masuyama types superior overall to the TeleVue Plossl's.

    I've collected a list of all of the "Masuyama designed" (or at the very
    least psudo Masuyama copy design) eyepieces I can think of.
    They are (in no particular order):

    Masuyama's (no longer made)
    Meade's original Series 4000 Super Plossl's (made up through ~1989)
    Tuthill Premium Plossl's (no longer made)
    Parks Gold Series Plossl's
    Antares Elites (Ultimas, 5 Element Plossl's, Ultrascopics,etc..., as these
    have had about as many names as you can shake a stick at)
    Orion Ultrascopics
    Takahashi LE's
    Celestron Ultimas
    Baader Eudiascopics

    Of these, the Tuthill, Parks, Orion, Baader, and Antares appear to be 100%
    identical. The Celestron and Meade variants appear to be outwardly a bit
    nicer to look at, and the Tak's are the true premium eyepieces here.

    Lawrence Sayre
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    jerryeyoung@juno.com (Jerry) wrote in message news:<8b78cace.0405080900.4e19a910@posting.google. com>...


    I think you hit the nail on the head ! Or is it sell
    now and get the mostest the firstest .
    But there is no mistake here , the TMB'S and the new AP eyepieces
    are now the cats meow !!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks to Thomas and Roland with the help of a few
    other people we now have the best mass production planetary eyepieces
    ever made .
    Leonard

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    "Leonard" <ngc7789@citynet.net> wrote in message


    Have you tried the SPL's?

    Thanks,
    Ed T.



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    "Edward" <reply@thegropup.thx> wrote in message
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    Might be a little tough to try the SPL's at this point unless you have an
    inside connection. The AP web site says they won't be available until
    June...



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    "Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net> wrote in message
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    That might be the next production run. I examined two of the SPL's at
    Company 7 last week.

    Paul Gustafson



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    "Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net> wrote in message


    There are a few out there. Haven't seen any solid A/B testing though, just
    a few generally positive comments.

    Ed T.



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    "Paul Gustafson" <laservet@NOSPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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    Could be. I just repeated what AP's web site says...
    ******************************************
    Part # Description Price-USD Availability
    SPL040 4mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June
    SPL050 5mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June
    SPL060 6mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June
    SPL080 8mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June
    SPL100 10mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June
    SPL120 12mm Super Planetary Eyepiece, 1.25" 245 June



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    just
    That's good to hear (that they have begun shipping).

    It definitely was taking up a lot of Valery's time getting them out...



 

 
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