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    I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
    The owners rave about the lack of color. Has anyone out there used this
    scope? How would it compare to my D & G 5 inch F-12 ?
    Seems they are very inexpensive.
    Steve



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    I have not seen a Burgess 127 but the laws of physics will not allow a typical
    f/8 achromat to be without color. The best will have color. Don't get me
    wrong, a 127mm f/8 would be a nice instrument in anyone's collection.

    The D&G f/12 will have less color, period. And their reputation is for great
    correction and smooth optics. If it were me, and I wanted a planetary scope
    with excellent definition, the D&G would be the choice. If you want more
    portability and don't care about more color, then an f/8 would be OK for just
    about anything but the brightest objects.

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    I agree with Chas on this on this one the F12 would have much less
    colour. Check at www.excelsis.com and look at the comments on this
    scope. I have the 6" F8 and the colour correction is good for an
    achromat but I think your F12 would be much better.

    Best of luck

    Rich


    On 12 Jan 2004 06:56:52 GMT, frchas@aol.com (Fr Chas) wrote:



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    "stevew" <stevew@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in message news:<1004eif242ogn9f@corp.supernews.com>...

    Hi:

    Here's a link to Geoff Gaherty's excellent review of this scope...

    <http://members.rogers.com/ggaherty/burgess127.htm>

    Peace,
    Rod

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    >I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.

    I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
    and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

    This is my take:


    (I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
    open and unmoderated.)

    Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
    miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
    mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

    Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
    than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

    Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
    not color free, that there is observable false color.

    Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
    prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
    discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
    around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
    F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

    These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
    in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
    waiting list.

    Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
    up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
    unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
    forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
    changed since they order them in March.

    For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
    F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
    are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
    long wait.

    Thats my take....

    jon



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    Hi Jon:

    Your "take" is pretty accurate. I had a chance to use the scope at the
    Tennessee Star Party this past fall. Well-made, great price, pleasing images. I
    ain't exactly a refractor kind of guy, but it looked like it could be a lot of
    fun for the money.

    Peace,
    Rod Mollise
    Author of _Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
    Like SCTs and MCTs?
    Check-out sct-user, the mailing list for CAT fanciers!
    Goto <http://members.aol.com/RMOLLISE/index.html>

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    jonisaacs@aol.com (Jon Isaacs) wrote in message news:<20040112083338.14163.00002539@mb-m14.aol.com>...

    Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this
    message from
    Bill Burgess:

    "Burgess Optical will be at NEAF. We have very big plans for
    this year and will be renting an entire row. If you come and have
    nothing to do
    please stop by, I will need all the help I can get. In cooperation
    with my
    suppliers we will be GIVING away
    over 100 items. Entire sets of ALL the new eyepieces, binoviewers,
    diagonals,
    binoculars, telescopes etc. We will also be debuting our new
    observatory
    series of
    giant telescopes. ( 9" refractor, 11" Mak Cass and 16" Mak Cass)

    BTW we started shipping the 1026 TODAY

    Thanks,
    Bill
    Burgess Optical
    865-769-8777
    "



    More and more grandiose promises Bill strewing to the right and on the
    left, upwards and downwards, gush forth!
    Quite impressive! And I shoud note, that these 1026 are crippled with
    promises
    to fix or upgrade them somewhere in future. Of course, after
    delivering these
    new 9" APO, 11" and 16" Mak-cass.


    LOLT!


    V.D.

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    >Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this

    Right now, the wait has been so long that I don't I actually expect the 102F6
    to ever arrive. When that happens, if it happens, I may expand my
    expectations... <g>

    jon

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    jonisaacs@aol.com (Jon Isaacs) wrote in message news:<20040112083338.14163.00002539@mb-m14.aol.com>...

    Huh! More slimy tactics by purveyors of cheap scopes trying to make them
    out to be more than they are. Will it never end?
    -Rich

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    > Thanks,

    If you look at your phone you will notice the 865 area code corresponds to
    the letters vol. GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 

 
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